MIA Facts Site

Guestbook Archive
Section II
5/27/00 -- 3/17/02

The following are entries from the MIA Facts Site Guestbook for the period 27 May 2000 through 17 March 2002.

Return to the entries for the period 24 December 1997 through 27 May 2000.

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Testing the guestbook - 7/21 - 1820EDST

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Guestbook re-opened; 7/21/00; 1825EDST

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Dr. C.F. MacDonald

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Colonel Schlatter, as you certainly know, several (in excess of a half dozen) South Korean POWs have escaped from POW camps in North Korea over the past few years.

It shows us that prisoners are still being held, that they survive under less than wonderful conditions, and that they still look to come home. It also tells us that they are held for no apparent reason. . ."pearls of war", perhaps. What is your take on all that, and why couldn't Americans still be alive, particularly in North Korean ? Also, has anyone from the USG ever talked to ALL of these escapees and asked them about who they might have been held with ? What about the North Korean govenment officials that have defected ? High ranking guys who should know something. . . anyone talk to them yet ?

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Joe Schlatter

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In response to the preceding comment about Korean War MIAs, check out this new article: https://miafacts.org/korean_notes.htm

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Eva L.

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David Gonzalez

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Capt. Charles Lane Jr, missing since 8-23-67 is not forgotten.

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Donna Prince

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Billy Howard Bolt

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"A" for effort, "A" for excellance. I am thankful for those such as yourself who take time to inform and honor all americans.

I have always respected "Mr. legion in his own mind" until I drove up to Id.and learned there was a linch mom at All most heaven searching fo o'Bo. It seems he had lent his name to some shyster and sold a bunch of land on the side of a hill and then latched on to a young swet thing and headed for Sun City leaving behind his wife to try and strighten out another of his many screw-ups. But then this is another story.

Agin thank you for a well designed site.

Ranger57 Bill

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James J. Girard

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Excellent site, My wife's uncle Col. Walter Sticher was in the Hanoi Hilton from 1968 to 1973 I worked for D.I. Sac Headquarters from 1963 to discharge 1965. My heart is with all of you who were POW'S and MIA'S.

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Firemist

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Hum, interesting article! I learned something. I could not put my whole url in the box, so here it is: http://www.geocities.com/Area51/2956 Thanks for the information!

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Jason Heichlinger

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I'm a 26 yr old young American. I served 4 on active duty in the Army and 4 more in the California Nat'l Guard. My father is retired Air Force. My brother is W3 in the Marines, in his 12th year. My uncle was Navy, and my father's uncle was a Marine at Omaha Beach in WWII. I read "Spite House", "Passing Through the Night" - all of the books published regarding this matter - and I have a vast interest in the POW/MIA situation, along with our nation's military history itself. I'm totally on your side about the Garwood issue. But, I do have concerns about the truth, etc., regarding our government's handling of this very delicate issue. It's a scary thought, being sent off to war and being left behind - especially in such an alien place like SE Asia. I'm confused. I don't approve of all the scamming liars out there who hawk the POW/MIA merchandise at the Lincoln Memorial on Memorial Day every year. I know that a lot of stuff has been fabricated to stir people's emotions. It's not fair to the families of the missing troops and airmen or to the current troops who face the idea of being sent off to war every day. I just wanted to convey my interest in and fear of this subject. It's very heart-wrenching and scary.

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LTC Mitch Anderton, USMC Ret.

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Joe,

You took a page straight from Hitlers playbbok with your comments on LTC James "Bo" Gritz. Tell a lie loud enough and often enough, sprinkle it with a little twisted truth... Presto, you have history.. Alot like our present involvement in Yugoslavia....

I love your analysis of his awards. I am wondering which of your ex-wives you found him screwing... Was it all of them? You are suffering from a deep sense of guilt over something and need to let it go.

I have known Bo for 20 years and he pulled my butt out of HACK more times than I care to remember in Panama. I would be dead now, or in the brig if it were not for Colonel Gritz.... Bo is about the most genuine person I have ever had the privledge to serve under, and while I was not in Nam, but I have seen him stare down Colombian drug lords, US Attorneys', President George Herbert Walker Bush, and the American justice system time and time again.

I was just doing what I was sent to do in Panama (just like in you guys in Nam) turns out there was a law against helping Contra's... But that is another story.

I hope you get help for what is ailing you..

Semper fi,

Mitch Anderton

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For documented proof on how Col. Joe Schlatter twists the truth, please visit www.ojc.org/pow.forum/schlater. Judge for yourself who the real liar is.

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Linda Moreau

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As a sister of an MIA, I am not quite sure what to think about this site.

My brother, Mickey Allen Wilson was the commander of a helicopter that was shot down on 1/8/1973. There were 6 men on board. They were ALL missing until 1996 after I made my first trip to Vietnam to say good-bye.

Right after I came back, one body was recovered, then another and in April of this year, the remaining 4 men were buried at Arlington in a group burial. My brother was one of the group! They found some teeth and bone fragments, thats all. They said the bone fragments were too small for DNA testing. So, the teeth was all they had to go one. Can't you live without teeth?

I wrote a book called "Da Nang to Memphis". I'ts about my trips to Vietnam, my brother's Vietnamese wife and their son!

I found them after 25 years. I never knew about their son, but I did know that he had a wife. I did not even know her real name, but I took a picture of her to Da Nang and put it on TV and found her in Memphis.

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Linda G. Moreau

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The CORRECT address for the web-site noted above is WWW.OJC.ORG/POWFORUM/SCLATTER It is a very interesting and well-referenced "documentary" on the skill in which this man LIES to manipulate the "facts" surrounding this issue.

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Cheryl MacDonald M.D.

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WOW. . .I just read the web-site at www.ojc.org/powforum.schlatter It IS a very powerful documentary on how Col. Schlatter twists the truth to his own agenda. A must read for anyone who thinks this man is giving us the full truth

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Cheryl MacDonald M.D.

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WOW. . .I just read the web-site at www.ojc.org/powforum.schlatter It IS a very powerful documentary on how Col. Schlatter twists the truth to his own agenda. A must read for anyone who thinks this man is giving us the full truth

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David T. Neumann

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Thanks for providing the web-site www.ojc.org/powforum/schlatter. Anyone who thinks Col. Schlatter is the gospel on FACTS need to visit this site. It shows the depth of his manipulation of the truth.

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Nicholas T

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www.ojc.org/powforum/schlatter EXPOSES the lies that Col. Schlatter is capable of. He is very adept at his own creation of "facts" but he got caught red-headed this time. Shame on you, Colonel. You used our tax-dollars to distort the REAL truth.

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Danica Eir

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The only thing MISSING from this web-site is the truth. I have read www.ojc.org/powforum/schlatter and now know that your credibility on this issue is ZERO. You owe the American people a huge apology. I have informed my Congressman of this site and have asked him to open an investigation of your role in this particular situation. The American people deserve better than a lie-slinging fast talker to give them real information on POWs and MIAs. Your job was to PREVENT facts from coming out, and you did a good job at it. Now we know you for who you really are.

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Joe Schlatter

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Seems as though one person has at least four AOL addresses. You really need to disguise your writing style.

A Congressional investigation? Of course, I will now lie awake nights waiting for the call.

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Then maybe you should just consider telling the truth. If not, change the name of this site to POW/MMA DAMAGE CONTROL. Because the only FACTS people will get here are found at WWW.OJC.ORG/POWFORUM/SCHLATTER.

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Paul E. Rifenberg

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I read on 8/13 that Russia had returned a Hungarian POW who had been captured while fighting for the Nazis. He had reportedly been an "inmate" at a Russian psychiatric hospital. In lieu of the MANY reports of American POWs from WWII and Korea who had allegedly been shipped to the former Soviet Union, some sent to the gulags in Siberia, others to mental hospitals. . . do you think it would be prudent for our government to seek permission to "de-brief" this individual, asking him of any knowledge he might have of Americans he might have been held with ?

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Joe Schlatter

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Mr. Rifenberg:

What do you think that General LaJoie and the US-Russia Joint Commission do? Actions to debrief this guy are already underway -- and have been.

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Heibei

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Gee Joe,paranoia seems to run deep in some of your responders!As a 23-year veteran of our last 3 wars, the question arises: "why would they hang on to our POW?" They could get much more by selling or trading them back to us. Having spent 7 years(61-63&64-69) in a Korean interrogation center,among the 1st questions asked of captured agents, defectors, fishermen, etc. (242 military & 715 civilians in my time) that came into the ROK pertained to any American POW or other detainees held in NK. Although some few had heard rumors,our frequent aerial photos of all of NK showed up none (other than the Pueblo crew). I guess it's natural to grasp at any straws if you've lost loved ones. Hang in there!

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wayne mortensen

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Have you ever noticed how Gritz seminars are kinda like rock con- certs. You can buy a book here for only $20 and a leaflet here for only $5.00 and a Tshirt for only $25.00. This man is only in it for the money. He has shown his true colors by the way he has treated his family. His last wife was probably tired of opening the damn mailbox and seeing letters from the IRS, Nazis (David Duke type of people) other scams, lawsuits, people wanting their money back. She was tired of being married to a charlitin. When the crap hit the fan and she wanted out, he was reportedly to have said that the devil must have her due. What Bo-she kissed your ass at those ridiculous seminars, tried to be a good wife while you were out running around and she wants out and she gets nothing. I have no respect for you, especially when you use to give your interpretations of world events. Next time you try to commit suicide hit yourself in the head or the heart. Do not miss, casue it must have embarrased the hell out of you.

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Paul Rifenberg

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Received a letter today from U.S. Senator Carl Levin of Michigan. In his letter, he said that Russian President Boris Yeltsin ADMITTED to the Senate Select Committee that the Soviet Union DID HOLD AMERICANS IN CAPTIVITY. Why does our government deny what he ADMITS ?

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SrA Scott Smith

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I work with a few civil service personnel in the Air Force who were in Vietnam. I hearing their stories and have done some research to try to understand some of the feelings and emotions they feel. I volunteer for an organization called The Brotherhood of Vietnam Veterans in Vacaville, CA. They are a terrific group of people. This site was great. I had not idea about any of this.

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tim matter

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I was pleased to read facts which I was not aware of.

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Dan Castro

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I'd like to learn more about Charles E Shelton and David Hrdlicka and if possible learn if there's anything new on them. Please E Mail me.

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Sarah Barr

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Appreciate learning this history of my bracelet. I have, unfortunately, had to replace my original just this week. I'm planning to leave my broken "Cdr. Jospeh P. Dunn" braclet,(MIA since 2-14-68) at the Tennessee wall on POW/MIA Recoginition Day Sept. 15th. Great site, thanks for sharing.

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Mark Sohlden

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very boring, worst guestbook ive ever seen

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I have some mixed feelings and opinions regarding this site, but I can say that a lot of what is written here is found on other sites as well. I don't even like giving Bo recognition whether it be positive or negitive. The man served our country and now uses the knowledge that our country gave to him as a weapon. He has been in a lot of controversy over the years and he stands for what? He has been connected to all the "wrong" people in an attempt to begin a nation of his own beliefs. Can you say... "Anti-government"? On his web site he was advertising the sales of survival items. Why? Wht is this man holding trainings called "S.P.I.K.E."? Why is this man tied in with the Christian Identity if he was such the war hero that he plays to be? Why does he always misrepresent himself in uniform by not presenting his medals properly? Unless of course, HE himself nominated HIMSELF for the medals.... thus not having the knowledge of the proper presentation of these medals. This man has begun his own militia against Americans. He wants to live by his own rules and force his beliefs on others. Yeah, those who are followers end up getting sucked into the mix... but soon wake up to realize that they got screwed. I can give my own opinion on why all Bo's sites are down or "Under Construction"... there is a legal case going on in a town where one of Bo's "friends" is in question... a lot of information was retreived off of Bo's site to prove this mans involvement with Bo's "patriot movement" militia. Once the "friend" relized that the opposing party was retreiving information that would hurt the case, the sites disappeared. What I would like to know is what is the real story on the kidnapping case that happened in CT. The papers say that all parties involved, Bo, his son, and another man were aquitted due to a lack of evidence.... hmmmm... does this play a role in several other legal issues pertaining to Bo and some of his associates when it is time to enter the courtroom? I had also read somewhere that Bo was at it again attempting to build another "compound" somewhere in Texas, I am wondering what has become of that.. if anything. Why has Bo been the man to call upon when known militia members have gone off the deep end and stirred up controversy with our government? (i.e. Ruby Ridge, Eric Rudolph, etc.) And why if Bo has been so dedicated to finding our POW's was he enticed with cash, and again and again came home empyhanded? And what is he doing today about all this? Looks as though his dedicated has been placed elsewhere huh? People have their own opinions, but this man has, in my eyes, gotten WAY TOO MUCH publicity all for what? What has this man done that makes him so much more than any of the other men that fought for our country? Hell, he was one of the lucky ones as far as I am concerned... he made it home! I hear that Bo hands out "autographed" photos of himself... actually I KNOW this... how many of our REAL war heros do this? Just wondering....

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Randy Hillyard

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Great Site, I have been wearing a bracelet for 13 years now and always wondered how they came to be.

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R.K. Wills

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Tabatha

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I am a 17 teen year old high school student who is interested in all aspects of the Vietnam War. I found this site to be very helpful in my research for a speech I will be giving on POW's and MIA's of the war. Thank you for being so helpful.

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JOe I don't know where you get all your imfo but I have worked with 2 men who served under Col Bo Gritz in Veitnam and know the man personally. I am also a vet who would served under a man who took on a War that we were never to win. If we ever have fight again here are over seas I would join his team. God khows when Gen. Westmorland told him we were not here to win the war Bo didn't know how to take it. I lost family over there. I hate liers and drug lords who take our children and family from us. I will stand behind Bo. If you want to speak to me or men searve under him. Please feel free and contact us.

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ZANE REY WOOLEY

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my father served on a six man team in nam known as team hotel co.(rangers)75th inf. 173abr.brg. at L.Z ENGLISH (BONG SON)from 1970-71.MEMBERS of this team are ronald wooley,david blow,david p.walker,charlie(chuck)lyons,jack ramsland,and john kirk.any information about these six men or anybody knows themm please contact me.THANK YOU!! AND TO THOSE WHO ARE GONE YOU ARE NOT FORGOTTEN,GODBLESS YOU ALL!!!!!!

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jim hubbs

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Ron

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Hey bud, I truely feel bad for you !

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FOB

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R u guys tryin to discriminate the asian culture? If u are, u are raicst, there is many pictures that are a fake..maybe this site is too...

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Robert D. Brown

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Used to fly out of Xuan Loc on daily basis. Looking for my interpreter an ARVN Sergeant named Tinh attached to 6th Psy Ops. 67-68. He was a fine ARVN soldier!

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Melissa

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Hey. I thought this was a really informative website. I am doing a college research paper on MIAs and this webpage made me change my whole thesis! keep up the good work!

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Steve Van Buskirk

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First time I have taken the time to read any of your material in detail. I am impressed with your thoroughness and detailed research. As a Vietnam veteran (1st ID, 1967-68), I have struggled with the question of live sightings and POW/MIAs left behind. I am aware of the plethora of misinformation, especially since the advent of the Internet. Thank you for giving me what appears to be credible information to think about. I'm not sure I will ever know the truth, but I am feeling closer to it as a result of having spent some time at your website. I will return.

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mike

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check out charles liteky, a medal of honor winner.

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SISSY COGDELL

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HELLO, MY NAME IS SISSY AND IM 17 I LIVE IN BIG SANDY AND WOULD LOVE TO READ MORE. ONCE IM OUT OF SCHOOL I PLAN OWN BECOMING A MORTICIAN. EVEYONE THINKS IM MISSED UP IN THE HEAD BUT IM NOT.

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Joe Schlatter

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Sissy: Turn off your caps lock. If you wish to be a mortician, do it. Maybe it's the others who are messed up in the head. Don't worry about keeping them happy -- do your thing -- Leap and the net will appear.

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Bonnie Templeton

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I have undertaken the project of researching the 32 Kansas MIA's from Vietnam. I really enjoyed your site.

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Donna Garwood Ervin

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Donna Garwood Ervin

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dan heck

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i liked your site. it contains a lot of good info. SEMPER FI

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dan heck

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i liked your site. it contains a lot of good info. SEMPER FI

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scotty wilkes

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Just cruised in and was quite interested as I almost was one myself. I believe a gal from Bakersfield, Calif. was running one the organizations as her brother, Jim Mills is so listed. Her name is Ann Mills Grifith, so if you have contact with the lady please forward my regards and email address. Thank you. Scotty

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Just cruised in and was quite interested as I almost was one myself. I believe a gal from Bakersfield, Calif. was running one the organizations as her brother, Jim Mills is so listed. Her name is Ann Mills Grifith, so if you have contact with the lady please forward my regards and email address. Thank you. Scotty

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richard wilson

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ery informative concerning bobby garwood-- this is something to look at- is he the last one over there??????

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Gerald Buckmaster

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As an Imagery Analyst myself, I know how inexperience and/or lack of training can lead to seeing what's not there. I believe only the physically blind understand they cannot interpret everything they see.

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Rodney Porter

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Friend Of Cong. Hendon

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Mr. Porter:

A "friend of Cong. Hendon" you are? Well, sir, you have my sympathies. How is ol' "Just Call Me Billy" these days?

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D. Pitts

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One if not the greatest thing in America is our FREEDOM OF SPEECH. We don't have to like what we read here but he has a right to say it. So do I. You are a disgrace to all that is good about America and it's Armed Services.If we ever have the opportunity to trade for our men left behind I would suggest that we trade you for them.

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DEBORAH EICHMANN

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I have the pow braclet for M/sgt. C. J. Hodgson dated 1-29-66 from the Viet nam War, I have had if for about 25 years, I do not know if he ever came home, how can I find out? as much as I love the braclet he might have family that would like to have it . I,m proud to say I protested when I was in High School many years ago, but I have not forgotten. Deborah Eichamnn

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James M Batey

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Very interesting reading. I agree with your solution Col. It is about time to move on, but they still need to be remembered for their sacrifices.

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Mark Mulkey

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This is a great site filled with history and information. Keep up the good work. Let's bring 'em home.

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Jerry Gillespie

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Joe: I was Bo's partner for six years and handled the land sales in Idaho as well as worked as his partner in SPIKE and CFA. I have had a very bad fallout with him and have no doubt that he is a con-artist. But, in defense of him, I found some of your information twisted and incorrect. For example, you report as of 10/99 that people in Idaho were suing Bo because they couldn't get title to their land. Prior to my leaving in August 97 we had completed the transfer of all the property to a LLC in Nevada which effectuated the ability for people to get title. The problem prior to this is that the trusts that were set up to buy and sell the land could not obtain title insurance in Idaho. Thus, the quiet title action to turn the property over to the LLC and issue titles on the paid parcels. You may wish to contact Dennis Albers in Grangeville, Id for confirmation of this. If something new has happened since then I'm not aware of such.

If people are interested in my side of the story on real Bo Gritz, send $7.50 to Jerry Gillespie 1550 E. University Dr. #L-1 Mesa, Az. 85203.

The book lists Bo's assets, the Linda Wiegand trial, his divorce from Claudia, what really happened with the Almost Heaven property and much more.

Thank you

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Joe Schlatter

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Mr. Gillespie:

Thank you for your comments re: Bo. My statement on folks suing Bo over Almost Heaven came from newspaper reports of the period.

The fact that an LLC (a limited liability coporation) has been formed is not likely to help many people. I would be surprised to find a title company that would issue title insurance on property that had been in a trust -- and not able to obatin title insurance -- and then was sold to an out-of-state LLC.

I am unemployed at present (Nov. 2000) but as soon as I get a few $$ ahead, I'll buy a copy of your book.

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Pete McCaffrey Sgt USMC NAM "65"

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I now bieleve that the only "GIs" left in NAM are the ones that want to

stay there.

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MICHAEL BLACKLEDGE

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sounds to me like you are a jealous man that wants his own recognition.. well i guess you got it didnt you.. how does it feel.. better now i hope . now go and live your own life and let people live thier own . you will get your recognition if you do something that is not selfish . try it . it also feels better if you do things for others.... get well soon......

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Dan Corbett

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URL:http://member.aol.com/rmelifr/enter.html

Great Site, Sir. Thanks for getting the word out!!

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TIM JONES

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Frank "mahknut" Picchione

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Colonel,

It was an enlightening visit to your web site and I can see why you decided to retire after a "tour of combat duty" with D.P.M.O.!

Warmest regards,

Frank "mahknut" Picchione, SP6 Computer Programmer U.S. Army Nov'66-Apr'77 http://www.geocities.com/koratmahknut/index.html

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Cherie L. Williams

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I am trying to find a couple of mia's Curtis Roy Cline Refno: 1490 COL : South Vietnam

Melvin Carnils Dye Douglas J. Glover Robert S. Griffith DOL : 19 February 1968 COL : Laos

Any info you could give me would be appreciated.

Sincerely, Cherie

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Cherie L. Williams

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I am trying to find a couple of mia's. Curtis Roy Cline, Refno: 1490, COL : South Vietnam,

Melvin Carnils Dye, Douglas J. Glover, Robert S. Griffith, DOL : 19 February 1968, COL : Laos,

Any info you could give me would be appreciated.

Sincerely, Cherie

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Cathy Tupper

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I just watched a show on Public television that showed many of the ex Pows talking about their horrible experiences in prison camps. It reminded me that I had worn a bracelet for a year or more back in 1972 and 73. My memory is so terrible I can't remember the name of the man who was on it. I'm going to try and find it and write to see what happened to him. I always wondered if he survived and got to go home. I thank the people who worked on the idea of the bracelets and I am very glad that I had the privelege of wearing one. The sacrifices these brave men made for their country makes me feel very proud of them and ashamed of myself for complaining about small things like a job I don't like or a house that seems too small. I wish I could tell everyone of them thank you and I admire and respect them with all my heart. Also, I greatly admire their wives for waiting, and hoping and praying for them. Even the ones who gave up after a while and remarried, because I know they tried.

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Graham Toye

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Joe Very impressive amount of information. Clearly comes from the heart as well as the head. Written in language even I could understand. I will never read all of it, your home page is more my cup of tea but had to take a look here, it's an eye opener for sure. Well done.

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Albert L Cummings Jr

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I found your site very good. Al Cummings POW/MIA Chairman Ma. State Council

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Albert L Cummings Jr

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I found your site very good. Al Cummings POW/MIA Chairman Ma. State Council

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Stephanie Reed

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I think that this site is a great thing. It informs people like myself that didn't know exactly how many American lives are not accounted for. I just hope that one day they will be found either alive or dead and returned home to the country and to their families.

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Sandy Atkinson

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Capt. Harley H. Hall Jan.27,1973.He was the last casualty in Vietnam.You will never be forgotten. Blue Angel Boss 1970 & 1971. God Bless you, Capt.

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Mark Webb

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Joe, I really liked your site when I first saw it 18 months or more ago. I pleased to see you've continued to maintain and update the site - it just gets better! It's beneficial to have a voice of credible reason on the net as a counterpoint to the fanatics. Keep up your fine effort.

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Just wondering if you lost a son in the military? If you did wouldn't you travel to the far ends of the earth looking for your boy? Or would you just take I don't know for the answer?

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Colleen

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Your URL line would not allow my full addy so here it is: http://people.goplay.com/militarytribute/ You have a very informative site and I will continue to read it. However, in life nothing is 100% sure except death. With that in mind, we can never be 100% sure all MIA's have returned. One can only hope. Proud Parent of a U S Marine.

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Julie Tronolone

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The info about the bracelets was really good. I still have mine from 1970-71 and remember the feelings about the Vietnam war that it brings back. I did find out that my "serviceman" did return safely to California. Great job! Julie in Buffalo, NY

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Leah

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I guess I am one of the people who you refer to as being part of a "cult" and I resent the reference very much. I have adopted 2 POW/MIA's and have worn a POW bracelet for years. I write letters to the government officials (they may not, as you say, actually DO anything to bring back POW/MIA's or to see that the search for them is continued but I will continue writing !) It's too bad that the U.S. government has such a history of dishonesty to the families of POW/MIA's... maybe if there had been more truth and less bullshit there wouldn't be a need to question so much of what we're told about POW/MIA's. I'd think that as a vet yourself, you'd be glad to know that there are citizens in America who would not forget you if you hadn't returned, and who would try their best to make sure that you weren't deserted in a foreign land. My opinion on the whole issue is that there was a cover-up when the war ended and to save face the government has continued to hold true to that cover-up rather than admit that, in our haste to leave Vietnam, some military personnel was left behind. Otherwise, I don't understand why SO many official defense documents are still considered classified OR have been "lost".

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Paddy Riley

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I have not been in this website for about 9 months now. I see that Joe is still slinging his bullshit to anyone who will listen. Most people would have packed it in by now but not Joe Schlatter, bullshitter at large. How much does the Government pay you to run this site Joe?

Paddy:  Your return to the Guestbook indicates that a village somewhere is missing its idiot. 

---  Joe Schlatter

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Jim Spier

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Enjoyed your articles on "All the Bad Actors in One Place" and " Revised: Earl Hopper Jr." Mark Smith is a big disappointment to me. I flew several missions in support of him just prior to his capture in 1972. The time he spent as a pow must have really fried his brain. A real shame! The list of items from the wreakage of Hopper's F-4 tells it all. Sure wish I could see a list of items recovered from Spectre 17s crash site, it should be extensive from an AC-130. Keep up the good work. I really enjoy your Whats New Site. Jim Spier

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Thanh

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I'm really sad, disaapointed to learn my nation's destruction. I f I could travel back in time, this would'nt happen.SOUTH VIETNAM FOREVER!!!

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Marcia Destatte

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Ron Cunningham

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Never forget that everyone deserves to come home

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Joe Miller

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Good work.

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mr.Kerry l Ingerson

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SIR: I inlisted in 73 usaf medic @omaha I wanted to be their earlyer but my dad said no, he was a p-38 pilet, from 42-45- 9th usaaf with 55 missions. I want to help. SIR. now.!how can I help,SIR. I know its late,the men are waiting are thay not? SIR.hope to help amn.Ingerson

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SuSu

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Well done - "lest we forget". Ihave a MIA, and thankfully saw him return in Hawaii. I fly a big flag each day think of all those that allow me to fly MY FLAG. I have tryed to email him but find no directory, like Lt.Brian Seek, Tempe many are thought of many times, we must not forget, must not forget. Respectfully & Thankfully SuSu Nelson, San Diego

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Robert Necastro

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1966-1967 Pleiku 4th M.I. If anyone reads this that has information on my unit please e-mail.

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Ronald D. Crockett

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Stumbled onto the site from a successful search done by the good folks at www.no-quarter.org. I've been home--back-in-the-world--for thirty years and had no idea who had come up w/the bracelet. You did a good thing! Thanks! RDC aka x-medic

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Paul Rifenberg

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Back in August, I wrote about the Hungarian POW who had been held in the former Soviet Union as a POW (turned mental patient because no one could understand him)ever since the end of WWII. You wrote back and said "efforts are already under way". . .etc., etc., to de-brief him. Well, that was four months ago. . . what are the results of the interview ? Are the translated transcripts available for review. . .or is it classified for reasons of national security ?

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RAY EARLEY

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SOMEBODY FINALLY HAS THE''CAHOONIES''TO TELL IT LIKE IT IS.THESE LOWLIFES ARE MAKIN MONEY OFFA DEAD PEOPLE!

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sidney lumpkin ret msg ussf

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Great site. Keep up the good work. Expose all that you can. Sid

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Paddy

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Schlatter: In regards to my last post when you said my village is missing an idiot. Did you think that up all by yourself or did someone help you. Or maybe it is classified. National Security. Well Sir, (I use the term loosely) my village well may be missing an idiot but your village has a traitor to his fellow soldiers. YOU.

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J. Johnson

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Col. I have followed the MIA issue closely for years, actually since I was Head, Casualty Section , HQMC during the 1969-74 time frame. You've really hit the nail on the head. You deserve an "atta-boy". The MIA "cottage industry" is probably $8-10.0M per year industry that continues to rip off the family members.....only in America...

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Paul B Larson A124, Co B, 1st Bn, 19th SFGA,UTAH NG,76-79, LTC USAR RET USMC, CPL, 0311, ZULU Co, MABS 16, MAG 16, 1ST MAW, RVN 69-70 Very good site, A friend(non military) at work in the coal mine I retired from in central Utah once asked me why so many of the army vets he knew were all ex SF, So many Navy vetts were either Riverine or Seals all with the corresponding incorrect awards and decorations. He was intelligent enough to recognize all the red flags. Thanks for all you are doing to expose these frauds.

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MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING; FREEDOM IS WORTH ANY PRICE; AND EVERY SCRAFICE!!! NO MATTER WHAT THE STORIES ARE!!!!! "LOKER"

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Viper

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Here's the URL to my web site..there wasn't room in the URL submission box.. http://members.aol.com/viperash50/page2/index.htm Joe Schlatter, why? why would any man put so much time and effort into a web site like this? Bringing the light of truth to us poor stupid Americans? Is this your goal in life? As you point at the "cultists" screaming "Liars, you take advantage of the POW/MIA issue for no other reason than $$$$." Joe Schlatter? why do you really put this time and effort into this web site? You must have a reason other than just being concerned about "your truth" being aired? hmmm? While some of the statements you make in this folly are without a doubt true..... much of it is nonsense, the rantings of a man who has proclaimed himself to be the "true light" of the POW/MIA issue. Sure Joe, the Vietnamese only hold French POW's the Koreans only hold S. Korean POW's...one other thing Joe, the Quang Document you state ...."The document uses the term "prisoners of war." The Vietnamese never referred to American captives as "prisoners of war;" they used the phrase "captured American military personnel." ....JOE??? Duh!! the document was written first in Vietnamese..then translated to Russian, then to English!!!!Anyone who takes the time to analyze your rebuttles on this site would have to be a fool not to see they are reading a fools work. Joe! GET A LIFE! POW/MIA Bring them HOME NOW!

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Paul Rifenberg

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Colonel, by now you have either watched or learned of the 1/16/01 episode of "60 Minutes II" that detailed the recent re-classification of Desert Storm pilot Michael Speicher from Killed in Action to MIA. The Navy's explanation: "We have no hard proof that he died".

What a profound and telling comment. That's essentially what "cult members" have been screaming about all these years. Explain to us as only you can the difference between Speicher's situation and several discrepancy cases from Vietnam in which we not only DID NOT have evidence of death, but DID HAVE evidence of their capture ? Why for instance, would we suddenly re-classify someone from MIA status to KIA/BNR solely on the passage of time ? We've seen the Vietnamese release French prisoners after nearly thirty years. . .what evidence do we have of Colonel Charles Shelton's death, for instance ? Of David Hrdlicka ? or Harley Hall ? etc., etc., etc. Not only are we uncertain that died, we know that they in fact survived their shoot-down and were ALIVE in captivity. How does our government justify that ?

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Paddy Riley

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Just popped back into your site to see the updates. See that you are still spouting your bullshit. You call Gritz "A legend in his own mind" Who are you to demean this brave proud man. At least he was in the front line and not in the rear with the gear. Unfortunately Mr. Schlatter you are an affront to the MIAs,their families and every other American that served in Vietnam. Who is paying you to run this website and spout your lies, or need I ask. Your friend Paddy

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I think you are way out in left field concerning POW/MIA from Vietnam. France said the same thing about their men from the Indochina war(Vietnam) now. yet twenty some years later the so called pow the vietnamese didn't have were released. If you believe our Government concerning vietnam POW/MIA's you have been brainwashed totally.

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Frances Stocker

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I have a braclet of a MIA & would like a update on his status

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Kaj Berg Andersen

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Sir POW's and MIA's from the war in Vietnam is also remembered in Denmark. I vear a bracelet to keep up the reminding of sfc Robert D. Owen, USSF, loss 23 May 1968 in Laos. Why do YOU beliewe he is not living? I dont' beleive you are the only one to know the truth, Sir. Let us all keep our respect and hope for the MIA's. Here in Europe we also do have a lot to thank the american people for!

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THANK YOU FOR THE UP FRONT INFO ITS NICE TO READ A SITE REG. THE POW/MIA OF VIETNAM . THATS NOT A BIG CIRCILE BUT SO GOOD INFO THANKS BRIAN VIETNAM DOG HANDLER ASSO MEMBER# 1338

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ROB WILSON

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Nick  viet-nam combat veteran

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Sir, Thank you for your effort in keeping this site on line and for making what seems to be a honest effort at telling the truth.After many years I'm trying to remember and deal with the menories.

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Sir, Thank you for your effort in keeping this site on line and for making what seems to be a honest effort at telling the truth.After many years I'm trying to remember and deal with the menories.

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Marisa Brown

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It is great and to the point, this should be presented to all new troops. So that they understand just what this country of ours will and will not do when they go into harms way which alot of them will do.

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Steve McCall

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This is an issue that we still to keep alive. All of the answers have not and probably won't be told,but we owe to all of those not "HOME" yet,to keep up the fight. Fantastic site!!!!! I still have my first bracelet that I recieved in 1973-74.

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LINDA CONSTANTINO

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REQUESTING INFORMATION REGARDING CIRCUMSTANCES OF MIA THADEUS BURGIEL.

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Paul Rifenberg / Niles, MI

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Last August I wrote (with a follow-up in December) asking you about the Hungarian POW who was held in the former Soviet Union, and finally released after 50 years of captivity ? Are you aware of any de-briefing efforts that our government or the joint Russian-American task force have conducted to ask this man what he knows about Americans who he may have been held with ? Or if you prefer, just list the name and address of the task force chairman and I will contact them directly.

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elizabeth Simmons

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I wore a pow bracelet for about 6 years until 1976. I have had it and only recently realized It should be returned to the serviceman or to his family in his honor. I appeciate that your site gave the information for me to seek his status and complete the cycle. Thank you. Elizabeth Simmons

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gregg ledford

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i was a member of delta company 1st bn 9th marines 3/67 till 4/68. i just found this site and have learned a great deal. it has brought back a great many memories, thankyou

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wendy liles

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For those of you interested to see the "1973 TH" E&E Signal, and to find out more about "Spectre 17" shoot down go to www.angelfire.com/ma2/georgemacdonald/. I would also like to correct Mr Schlater, as there were no dental records found at the Spectre 17 crash site identified as Thomas Hart's. In fact 11 of the 13 remains were found scientifically impossible to determine. As in most cases turned out from CILHI no DNA testing was conducted, and each of the 13 remains were charred bone fragments. I would be happy to send you Mr. Schlater, the 1985 "20/20" episode that shamed CILHI on the Spectre 17 indentifications. Proudly, Wendy Liles, daughter of Capt. Robert L. Liles USAF, Fire Control Officer on Spectre 17 #56-0494 shot down December 21, 1972 near Pakse, Laos.

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Paul Rifenberg

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To follow up on the comments by Ms. Liles above, there is another web-site that "corrects" disinformation provided by Mr. Schlatter concerning the shoot down of Victor Apadoca. He doesn't like it much when people catch him lying, but that is exactly what happened in this instance. The web-site is WWW.OJC.ORG/POWFORUM/SCHLATTER For those of you writing term papers or just surfing in, please understand that the man hosting this web-site was paid by the U.S. Government for years to EXPLAIN AWAY each and every live-sighting report that ever surfaced. The "facts" you read here are HIS facts, which is not the same as actual reality.

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kathryn keim

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This site really caught my eye, because I have a mia/pow bracelet I have had seen 1972. I wore it for 2 years straight without taking it off. 1Lt Douglas Ferguson became a very important part of my life even though I never knew him. It would mean a lot to me if I could find his family. I would like to share my thoughts and the bracelet that became and is still a very important part of my life. Where do I go to find his family. I think they would really appreciate knowing about my memories of this bracelet and I would really like for them to have it. It is very special to me. I would love to present it to them. In loving memory of this man who gave his life for us. God bless his family and all vets. Kathryn Keim

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Paul Rifenberg

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Just an idle observation: During the Senate Select Committe Hearings, two former Secretaries of Defense testified that they believed POWs were left behind. General Westmoreland has also shared that same opinion, as did former CIA Director William Casey. Why should we believe some rear-echelon desk-jockey Colonel's opinion when these superior ranked individuals (your bosses, I believe)all felt differently than you ? They were all in a better position to know the actual truth, don't you think ? What could you possibly know that they didn't ?

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Jari

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Hi, Greetings from Finland.

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Joe Schlatter

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On February 24, an individual signing the name "Paul Rifenberg" left an uninformed and basically dumb comment on the guestbook -- see above. Here is a response to him: miafacts.org/rife1.htm -- though I don't know why I bother.

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Yoda

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COL Schlatter, please point Mr. Rifenberg and others to www.cia.gov/cia/publications/pubs.html. Page down twice and look at first two entries under DCI CIA

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Chris MacDonald

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Joe my friend, you are obviously a communist rump-swab. All American POW's in Vitnam were released? Ha! I'll bet you think China's record of persecution, torture and murder of Christians and other dissidents is actually just 'propaganda' emanating from some 'Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.'Keep up the good work comrade.

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Burmese Gandhi

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No idea who to believe Lt. Bo Gritz or Col. Schlatter. According to my standards, you both are patriots who contributed loads for freedom's sake. But you both won't understand the price of freedom until you have lived under a brutal military regime like SLORC from Burma.

Sincerely,

Burmese Gandhi

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Richard Evans

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Thank you for providing an important service. A few years back I read Mythmaking In America, and was glad to see a well done validation of something that my "bullshit detector" had been suggesting to me for a long time--that the MIA/POW myth is not just any ordinary myth, it is a cynical and deliberate fabrication. My heart goes out especially to those families of MIAs who have been hoodwinked by these jerks. Keep up the great work.

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Paul Rifenberg

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I can always tell when I've scored some points when this taxpayer-financed public servant calls me "uninformed and basically dumb" and then creates a separate site just to respond to ME.

It is important to note that he responded only to what he COULD respond to, completing ignoring my reference to WWW.OJC.ORG/POWFORUM/SCHLATTER which details how he was caught in a BALD-FACED LIE. He responded the way the USG has for years on this subject: When you can't attack the information, you try to discredit the source. Colonel, based on your lies in the APODOCA case, YOU have no credibility.

Let me CONDENSE his response to my comments on General Westmoreland and the two Secretaries of Defense who testified to the Senate Select Committee that they BELIEVED POWs had been left behind: "Their views were old and outdated, and they only knew what I told them, anyway."

As for CIA Chief Casey, the Colonel's sole explanation was that the Congressman who reported his comments is a LIAR. If you can't attack the information, discredit the source. It's worked for thirty years, why change tactics now ?

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joe dupont

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http://homestead.juno.com/joedupont

My mentally ill son died from hypothermia when ventura county released him 24 miles from his camp site.

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Greg

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I happened to reach this site by accident, but I have to say that I am very impressed with your thought and decency on this subject. For many years, it has amazed me that our own Senators and Congressman have dragged our government and veterans through the mud for unseemly personal advantage. But even more amazing has been the lack of rebuttal in the press. These conspiracy theories are too cruel to let continue, and I thank you for speaking out. This is not a Republican or Democratic issue, this is an issue of decency, and it truly sickens me that those, like McCarthy, who would wrap themselves most tightly in the flag, would so casually dishonor for the sake of financial or political ambition

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Robby Robinson

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I was rather amused at your protrayal of Maj Mark Smith. You indicate that he is a drunk that hangs out the bars of Bangkok. I happen to know Mark a little better than you. I work as a network engineer for a company in Bangkok and I live about 75 meters from him and visit with him daily. He does NOT hang out in bars. The only bar he does go to (once every two or three months) is one at a tourist hotel, where he sings with a band that he helped start years ago. Joe, some of your other "facts", like the one I just referenced, are out and out lies. I have to wonder what your interest is, in trying to perform this character assasination. Do you still work for the DIA? Is it professional jealousy? I know that you never earned any awards for valor, even though other MI officers did but, does that mean you should lie about those brave servicemen that shed blood for this country? I'm not talking about the paper cuts that you got but, real wounds obtained in combat.

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C.F. MacDonald M.D.

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You're starting to slip. It appears that the government-paid mouthpiece has been caught in yet ANOTHER lie. How interesting that you call Major Mark Smith a drunk that hangs out in the bars of Bangkok. You probably weren't expecting someone who lives just 75 meters away from Major Smith to read that and catch you so red-lipped, were you ? I agree with Mr. Rifenberg. . . you can't attack the facts, so you try to destroy the sources. . .by any means whatsoever, even if that means complete and total fabrication. You are a pathetic piece of work. I'm ashamed you wore our nation's uniform.

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Joe Schlatter

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Read this article for a response to the preceding comments by "Robinson" and "MacDonald" -- though I don't know why I bother.

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PATTI AND JACK

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KEEP THE LETTERS AND EMAILS GOING TO OUR GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS TO ACCOUNT FOR ALL OUR MIA/POW'S THIS IS LONG OVERDUE, BRING THEM HOME. WE PRAY THAT OUR MIA/POW'S FEEL OUR PRAYERS DAILY AND KNOW THAT WE HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN THEM, MAY THEIR LIGHT OF HOPE AND OURS BECOME REALITY. AMERICANS CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE LET US MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR OUR MIA/POW'S, PLEASE, PLEASE DON'T GIVE UP HOPE, KEEP EMAILS GOING AND EACH DO OUR PART. SINCERELY, PATTI AND JACK

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Bruce C. Barbera

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Great site, very informative. We have made an F-4 Phantom flight simulation of the vietnam war, since many commercial publishers won't support such a project. It's a work in progress, but my goal is to inform our young people that we do indeed have hero's from that conflict. It's at falcon4.nekromantix.com brewski

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Served in Vietnam from Mar 66 to Jul 66 with 2/5 in the Chu Lai area. Jul 66 to Feb 67 with Col Bell 1/1 near Hoi An. Spend about three month as NCOIC of what later became to be known as a Combined Action Platoon and worked in the S-3 where I plotted all friendly forces and their Patrols. Returned to Vietnam in Sep 70 and served with the 3rd CIT in Vietnam until the team departed Vietnam and returned Okinawa in May 71 continued serving with the 3rd CIT until Oct 72. From Oct 72 to May 76 at the 2nd CIT and Froce Troops. From May 76 to Sep 79 served with the 11th CIT, HQFMFPAC. Again with the 3rd CIT from Sep 79 to Sep 80. Again with 11th CIT from Sep 80 to 83 and 3rd CIT from 83 to 88. As you can see from my resume I was in the right places at the right times to have some knowledge of Marine MIA/POWs. In 72 and 73 we prepared for and conducted Operation Homecoming. In 76 the 11th CIT had several safes full of files on MIA/POWs and there was three volumes on Garwood plus numerous tape recordings of his broadcasts. I read all three volumes and listened to all the tapes. Now I don't have total recall but I must say I found your information on him to be very factual. We also had books containing pictures of all the POW/MIAs and I can honestly say most of these pictures were so old or boot camp photos that making identifications from them was very unreliable. More than one family have identified the same pictures as their son. I live in Hawaii and have recieved several briefings from the ID Lab here. Most people are unaware of their efforts to bring our Marines/Airmen/Soldiers and Saliors home. Maybe a webpage lists their efforts and accomplishments would enlighten some of those who blasted you in you Guest Log. I don't agree with everything you say but you have the right to express your opinion. Aloha

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C.F. MacDonald M.D.

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Dear Colonel Smoke 'n Mirrors: Now that you have devoted yet another site to respond to comments that "merit no response", let's get one thing straight. Nothing that I ever say about you is "gratuitous". Why don't you respond ONCE AND FOR ALL to the fact that YOU LIED THROUGH YOUR TEETH when you denied ordering the FBI to destroy the map OVERLAY that was recovered from Major Apodaca's crash site ? You DENIED ordering this, yet the FBI Latent Fingerprint Section confirms it (file # 32-26795). I have been reading this guest book for some time, and have noticed several references to www.ojc.org/powforum.schlatter a web-site that DOCUMENTS your manipulation of facts and details. Anyone who even THINKS you should be believed should read this well-documented piece. And the rest of us will simply wait for you to explain away another lie, COLONEL. Don't attack the credibility of someone else this time. . .just explain the lie, okay ?

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Barb Weidman

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I have a bracelet name, missing for 35 years, this is unforgiveable.

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Gerry Canevaro

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Thanks for your efforts to provide facts to what is clearly an emotional issue. I commend you for providing a forum to those who engage mostly in ad hominem attacks. The contrast is quite enlightening.

4th ID 68-69 1st Avn Bde 71-72

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Gary Ferrari

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Served with Bravo Company 3rd tank bat/3rd Marine Div.In Country 67/68 "I"corp.Thanks for having the balls to tell the truth.

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Served with Bravo Company 3rd tank bat/3rd Marine Div.In Country 67/68 "I"corp.Thanks for having the balls to tell the truth.

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Very informative with links to other interesting sites. As a german national and part of generation "1968" I found this link searching for books on the Vietnam War Area also incl. POW/MIA articles. It is amazing for me as a "foreigner" to find out after 30 years how much we were influenced by the media. Keep up the good work. Marianne

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COL Schlatter,

Your site is interesting and thought-provoking, although I am not sure exactly where I would come down on the POW-MIA issue; I tend to suspect that there were at least some left behind, although I have serious doubts about the survival of any men at present.

Your site does, however, have some rather glaring inaccuracies, however. In the report on MAJ Mike Smith, you write:

<<SFDK, Thailand, and Worldwide Changes Smith's claims as to his experiences in the Special Forces Detachment - Korea (SFDK) are equally bogus. He was assigned to SFDK in 1982. The commander was LTC Bob Howard, a Medal of Honor recipient from Korea. Howard had some personal problems involving his family and his drinking. Howard was serving an unaccompanied tour in Korea -- that means his wife and family were back in the States and there were some family problems. Howard had developed a drinking problem and his family separation made things worse. He was sent back to Walter Reed for treatment of alcohol abuse and Smith became the acting commander SFDK>>

According to the Center of Military History, no Robert (or Bob) Howard recieved the Medal of Honor during the Korean War. There was a Robert Howard (later COL) who recieved the Medal during the Vietnam War. In _Stolen Valor: How the Vietnam Generation Was Robbed of its Heroes and its History_ by B. G. Burkett and Glenna Whitley, which you highly commend on your site, COL Robert Howard is praised as one of the two most highly decorated veterans of the war (Col George "Bud" Day, USAF [Ret.]) being the other one.

I've never met MAJ Smith or COL Howard, but I do have a problem with a senior officer such as yourself making a fairly egregious error (the wrong war -- and that is easily confirmed) and then assaulting the character of a holder of this nation's highest decoration.

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Stumbled onto this site looking for relatives in North Carolina. Bill Hendon is my cousin and I'm not sure how to take the little bit I read. I do know that he was a Congressman and involved with the POW-MIA mission. Our fathers were brothers and my father ( I am extremely proud to say) is Aircraft Commander Harry Leon "Pappy" Hendon, USAF Retired (deceased). I'm certainly glad HE cannot read it!

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In response to a preceding comment by Mr. Collins.

My mistake. COL Bob Howard received the MOH for action in Vietnam and I have corrected my error. The remainder of the passage is not an attack -- it is fact.

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Full of good info. I checked out a couple of the "conspiracy" sites prior to finding this one. I also read the 'schlatter' page at ojc.org. Pure crok-o-doodoo. No supporting evidence for their position, just a personal attack. Gotta keep the emotion high to keep recruiting and contributions up! Keep their feet to the fire, Joe. Jay USAF Ret.

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White workers of all classes, unite! Long live death!

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Ref; John Obassy/Robin Gregson and the MIA video. Following his suicide in California in November 1992 I noticed a number of parallels between Robin Gregson and the late multi-aliased English "businessman" Ian Spiro. Like Gregson in Laos Spiro had created a fictitious life for himself in the Lebaonon (which features in the MIA video story). He duped Colonel North (who shared an office with Dick Childress) that he had some influence in the hostage situation because he had been to school with members of the Kuwaiti Royal Family. (In reality he had attended a jewish public school.) Spiro was involved in various "Hostage" scams (see David Jacobsen's memoirs.) Terry Anderson's sister Peggy Say was approached by one "Michael Trumpower" with some bizarre hostage rescue scheme. "Trumpower" shared with Say details of an initiative he had been involved in with Ross Perot. (Say called Perot's office who did not recognise the name "Michael Trumpower") Was the MIA video scam an attempt to generate a ransom for the Beirut hostages?

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Take a look at the arial photograph of the "1973 TH" -or- " 1573 TH" E&E signal at http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/georgemacdonald/

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This is in response to the post from "Sullivan Lake" about the "1?73TH photo.

I have seen the photo to which you refer. Better than that, I have studied the original at the National Photo Intelligence Center.

Read my article at https://miafacts.org/th1973.htm

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After almost 30 years, I came across an article in the June 98 Readers Digest about POW/MIA's. It lead me to No-Quarters.org which inturn to here. I've had 2 bracelets since the early 70's and have wondered over the years what had become of the persons named on them. Today, I found one of them and I'll try to contact the family to get a mailing address to mail it to them. After being in the Army for 12 years, these bracelets have always meant hope for me. Hope that if I were to become missing, I wouldn't be forgotten. For these soldiers, although maybe just a name on a bracelet, they have not been forgotten.

Thank You for being here...

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Joe,

You really should provide your readers with the aerial photograph of the E&E signal. You may view it on http://www.angelfire.com/ma2/georgemacdonald/

Sincerely, Sullivan Lake

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Great,truthful,OUTSTANDING.....

THANK YOU,VERY MUCH

aVEITNAM VET. (LATE65-67)(MID70-71) XANLOC,LONGKHAN PROVINCE.(MACVTM49)

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I have to admit, I am not an expert on the Vietnam War. I am looking through MIA sites for information on a particular man. My neighbor found a bracelet in her belongings, I looked up the name and this man is still listed as MIA. I am looking for information about him. His name is CDR JAmes Bauder 9-21-66. Would anyone be willing to direct me to the proper place?

Thank you... Laura

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Just on break from work and found this site. I know you. I worked in the Sigint Requirments Branch of DIA when you were in charge of the POW/MIA section. Worked closely with your people to get your requirements on the book with NSA. After five years at DIA I was selected to work at Stony Beach in Thailand (1992-1994). I was not impressed with that operation. Col. John Cole greeted me at the door with "Oh, so you are the hotshot major we have heard so much about." Things went down from there. The whole Stony Beach effort was a political disaster IMHO. They did not seek the truth but danced to the prevailing politics of the time. It was a very unpleasant time for me. I did get to work with Dr. Timothy Castle and some other "good" guys. Anyway, your site has been bookmarked and I will return often. Also, I know Mark Smith. He is a true believer (this, of course, does not mean that what he believes is "true") . I also had the pleasure of meeting "Bo" Gritz at a local gun show here in Tulsa last months. Spent about 30 minutes visiting with him. Actually he visited with me because he does not listen - just talks. Nice guy (as in a true believer).

While interviewing a former SF guy in Chiang Rai, I found out about a "stay behind" in Laos. This guy sounded like those "servicemen" talked about by Necci. MMMmmm. I wonder if these guys are POWs or just guys who like the Lao ladies? Believe it is the latter.

Again, great site. I currently live in Bangkok but am a grad student now at OSU-Tulsa. Drop me a line if you get a chance.

Cecil Hill Major,USAF (retired)

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Thank you for the hard work you are doing to expose these people. I have met two of them and they had me fooled. Its a shame there has to be folks like these. I am asked alot to check someone out at either a event with veterans there or chat rooms, and you are right it only takes a few right questions to figure them out. Thanks again. Tim Ungurean Sgt.Army Ret 11th Cav Lrrp 67-67

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I found your site very interesting. Thank you.

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Paula Mulherin

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Impressive - I haven't read everything but at a VFW last night I was given a POW bracelet so that I could carry the honor of Capt. Jack R. Harvey (11-28-72). How do I find out more about Capt. Harvey? I know he is from Gardiner,ME but much more than that I don't know.

Thank you for this site. I grew up in the 60s and Vietnam was and is a pivotal point in my life. Especially when I meet Veterans who now after 30+ years may be healing and willing to talk.

God Bless.

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I do believe that theres still POW`s in Vietnam and other countries. We have a similar case in Norway where Norwegian men and women escaped to Russia/Soviet from Norway during the German occupation 1940-45, many of these was arrested by the Soviet secret service before the training to become partisans or after they came back from missions in occupied Norway. Other Norwegians did also disappeared when they was arrested by the Soviet when they was out on the sea to fish. ( This is Norwegians basically from Finnmark the northern state with a borderline to Russia )There was also Norwegian settlers that was trapped behind the Soviet border after the 1917 revolution who was sent to the Gulag camps in Siberia. The Norwegian effort to find these people, and find out where they are and what that happened with them have been shameless. Only because they dont want and wanted to offend the Russian/Soviet government. Its been proved that there still is family members alive after many off these Norwegians that was captured, and many of those who were captured and survived the gulag camps lived in the soviet union to their death trapped behind the iron curtain. The effort by the Norwegian government to bring these back have been a shame, they have done from nothing to very little. So, why cant it be US, French, Australians or others POW`s in SEA? I do believe it is. I do also believe that many remains of POW/MIA never will be returned because then they will see that these soldiers have been alive a long time after the war, because they died in a prisoner camp. I am a soldier my self, when I see what my government did for those that was captured by the Russian, I can only say one thing. I will never been taken alive in a combat situation. I will also honour those of you that came back and those who didnt. I have met many fine US service men and womens during my years in the Norwegian army, and I have talked to many fine family members of active and retired service men/women that is proud of the country and your armed forces. You are truly a Patriotic country.

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i wish we had a web site that lists all the mias and pows--as a teenager i had many bracelets that got lost or were distributed amongst my friends--one i still remember-- Cmdr. ROY BOWLING-- i never found out if he made it home.I later went into the service myself. i will always honor our pows/mias, who served my country,and not rest until all are accounted for!

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the site is cool i need to be spanked as well.

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This was sent to me by a good friend and Viet Nam Vet. I found it very interesting and will pass it along to allI know.

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allow me please to quote jady j page it is the soldier who salutes the flag serveds under the flag and whos coffin is drapped in the flag further may i say brother to brother father to son together they are one they have each other and i thank god for them them are the vietnam vets they are brothers forever fratres aeterni no man has the right to attemp to dishoner the great men however our nation dishonered them enoughi feel in my own heart some things our gov did was nothing short of criminal so to sum it up i thank god for them may god on high always stand with them these are my heros these are men of great honer shalom

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The site is great alot of time must have been put in to it. ;->

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As a former Marine, 1/7 company A, and a vetern of foriegn war ( Gulf War.), my heart goes out to all of our fallen brethern, it saddens me to think that we have left men who put their lives on the line for a cause this country had. I pray that some day the truth will liberate the memories of these brave and loyal men.

Jerry Brossman

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I am reading this book that you wrote and I am doing a report on it and it is going to be a A paper. Thanks for writing such a great book! Thanks your friend Nate Soukup

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You talk about a legend in his own mind. Man, you need to get a life! Is this all you do all day is write this dribble? You and Bob Jones; two peas in a pod. The only reason I won't leave an email address is, I don't need anymore junk mail!!

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My oldest brother fought in Vietnam (Army), another brother fought the war aboard a Navy air craft carrier, several cousins and friends fought there and I lost a husband----there were may heros--I know this is true--obviously I know some of them well.

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I don't have much to say today. I was gven the magazine by my dear friend Ralf.

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Pretty good! I was a vol, extended my time in Nam . Was Target Acquisition ...lived on FBs, and OPs along the DMZ 02AP69-20OCT70 Would have reupped and returned...but lost a leg at home! ( ha ha ha) always so lucky in Nam...... Nam was a bad deal all-around for everyone, If we'd have kept our word to Ho....when we had OSS people there(WWII)....and have NOT let the French back into Indo-China....It might have never envolved more than a few thousand Americans. Breaking our word cost the Vietnamese people, the French and it certinaly cost us US and anyone else that provided troops. ....made a Civil-War were one need not have ever occured. Carl L. Moore [email protected] [email protected]

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danny thacker

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my brothers i feel this site is urgent needed for the public to try to educate themselves not that they will but at least the truth is here i feel the public couldnt care less anyone that know anything about these matters knows the goverment and the public at large has done nothing less of a crime here the goverment certainly has committed a crime i thank god for you and these truths let me further say brother to brother father to son together we are one we have each other fratres aeterni

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If all living POWs were returned, then they(NVA, VC...etc.) must have let a lot of them die...and murdered a great number of them. There were plenty of men lost on classified missions ....some of them known to have been captured and never returned...Our(US) government is very quiet about these men. I saw a Cobra pilot captured about 2,000 meters west of A-2(ARVN)outpost on Nat'l rt1 in 1969, he appeared to be not wounded when captured....But just north of the capture site "...a large white male, naked, torso intact was observed staked out near the Ben Hai River"(probly the pilot I saw captured) This was observed by a FO in a Birddog and his "Cat-Killer"(pilot). The FO descrided it as one of the most desturbing sights he had ever wittnessed in Nam."Staked out head east,feet west...""...eventualy made two very low passes...' "...could not ensure if he was dead or alive...no movement..." ....think about it...other than a few jet-jockies....very few men/POWs were returned....and not really all that many bodies...very few of those that the enemy had placed "bounties"on were returned. ...How many SF, LRRP,...sgts cp or pvts were returned....not hardly any!.... They may all be dead now but when their country sold them out...there was a real likelyhood that there were many of them ...alive and abandoned...by a very ungreatful ...government and nation. Are Not...YOU Glad YOU Were Not ONE of"THEM"!...so easily written-off by those that sent you into hell and left you there. Carl L. Moore- Target Acquisition U.S.Army ...the Leatherneck-square-02AP69-20OC70 ARVN, Army and USMC FBs, and OPs on THE DMZ

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Mr. Moore:  Your comments are basically uninformed.  As to the story about the individual who was seen "staked out" -- I doubt it.  Why, in the midst of combat, in contact with US units, would a PAVN unit stop to "stake out" and torture a prisoner? And, if the story has a bit of truth in it, what makes you think that this individual was never recovered?   Get serious.  There is not a single report to corroborate your claim.  I spent six years reading reports from the war about captured and missing Americans and never saw any such report.  As for your contention that mainly aviators returned, perhaps you should stop and think about something.  All captured US infantry soldiers -- and this includes LRRPs, SF, Marines, Army, and the like -- were captured in South Vietnam, Laos, or Cambodia.  As such, they were held in jungle camps under abominable conditions and many of thenm did not survive.  Most of the aviators captured were in North Vietnam -- while their treatment was brutal, at least they were held inside established prisons, at least they had some level of medical care, exercise, and food.  This difference made a difference in survival rates.

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Am I the only one who has observed that anytime someone writes something that the Colonel either wasn't previoiusly aware of, or doesn't agree with. . . then that person is simply UNIFORMED ?

Here we have (from the contribution from Charles Moore) a man "on the scene" making a FIRST-HAND LIVE EYEWITNESS REPORT (something the Colonel has never been able to provide) which was also corraberated as well by a FO and his birddog pilot.

Colonel Schlatter's classic response ? IT CAN'T BE TRUE BECAUSE I'VE NEVER READ A REPORT ABOUT IT!!

Gee, Colonel, maybe you're just now getting the report. Perhaps you should write it up yourself.

It's so easy to understand now why MILITARY INTELLIGENCE is such a classic OXYMORON.

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Thank you for your work.

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keep the work we must ultimatly know the where abouts of all of our brave warriors that gave ultimate sacrafice for the greatist nation on earth, (the regular people, not the politicians make this country great)

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I think the site is touching and very revealing.I wore Dave motts bracelet until he got off of the plane at Clark. We didn't know he had been captured until that moment.God Bless

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Deborah Joy Natal

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Wonderful...Thank you, thank you. I have a cousin who was recently married by this clown. My cousin has completely bought into Bo's lies, his religion and his politics. I have forwarded this site to him in hopes that he will see the light.. One can only pray...Thank you again and blessings, deborahjoy natal

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Donna Barkson

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My bracelet has the name of Capt. John Bush, USAF, July 24th 1968, NVN also on end of bracelet is the state abbreviation, FL. I believe I bought the bracelet in 1972 or 1973.

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Earl Taylor

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I for one don't care what your credentials are. The POW-MIA-KIA issues are real and I for one will never forget and there are a lot more like me out there. You site borders on sick to sad. It's sick that you could say all this and sad that you have to criticize those who disagree with you. I say, to Hell with you and your kind.

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We found a bracelet at a yard sale and intend to check on the name, thanks for the information

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Roger L. Kopf

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Good When I was is Korea, @1986-1990, I used to read a paper published monthly regarding CONFIRMED sightings of POWs. Looking to see this paper again.

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Lee Parsons

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Keep up the good fight, Joe.

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Mark Cory

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Bring 'em home!!!!

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SGT Christine Hopper

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My uncle is dead. Let him rest in peace. Why do you care anyway? All vets should be honored regardless of status. Leave it alone. You can waist your breath and it will change nothing.

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AK3 Tanya Michelle Rowe

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Thank you so much for the bracelet information.

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Col, liked your article on Mooney. Does he think he was the only one doing that job. Why are there not more in his career field that were there at the time telling the same story? Because your right, its crap. He should be flogged for misleading the families of those brave men. He's a disgrace to the uniform

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For the record... I have never, nor would I ever trash any Veteran. My Grandfather served 4 tours in Vietnam as well as two in Korea and my family has fought in every war this country has ever participated in, to include the American Revolution. I do not appreciate you saying that I trash Veterans. I have never done that.

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Nice article about the history of the bracelets. I wore a bracelet and was a member VIVA in the 1970's. I did some speaking for the organization. I now teach High School U.S. History and Government.

Linda

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Jerry Russell

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Excellent site!!! Truly excellent. I was an MIA activist -- I fell for their crap then I began to question some of the stuff I heard. When that happened, I was attacked. I discovered this site six months ago and have read every article at least twice. You are right on. Keep it up and don't give the professional "activists" any peace.

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Spectre Gunner from 1969 thry 1975.

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Loyde P. Snake Arender

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Joe, do you remember how "We Supported" each other in Vietnam?

Arty FO's have "Saved My Butt" many times, so to a certain degree, I Owe my life to arty FO's.

However, I also OWE many other individuals who like Bo Gritz and Colonel David Hackworth served in Vietnam and did their job.

Joe, when "the S_ _T hits the fan" and the bullets are flying IT IS TOO LATE to discuss WHY we are fighting. The one and only GOAL at this time is TO SURVIVE by joining together and SUPPORTING One Another.

As an arty FO in Vietnam, YOU by all means should KNOW the IMPORTANCE of SUPPORT because it is a fact that "Artillery Support Can Save Lives".

IS it possible that all of us stop the double-talking, back-stabbing, bull-s__t and "REUNITE and REMEMBER" our buddies who MIGHT** still be alive.

**MIGHT: In my opinion, it is better to hold onto a glimmer of hope concerning the possible existence of surviving POW / MIA than to completely Give Up All Hope and totally doom them to death by refusing to believe in any possibility what-so-ever of their existence.

Joe, can you think of someway that all of us can Join Together and Support One Another like we did in Vietnam?

Please visit some of my websites at:

Words From The Wall: http://home.talkcity.com/LibertySt/snake0331/

26th Marine Regiment Buddy Locator: http://community.webtv.net/kaybran/26thMarineRegiment/

The Snake Den: http://usmcwife.hypermart.net/snakearender.htm

Snake's Vietnam Photo Album: http://community-2.webtv.net/kaybran/26thMarineRegiment/page2.html

Semper Fidelis (Always Faithful, especially to My Friends)

Loyde P. "Snake" Arender

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About time someone spoke out,rumors will ruin a good war, if you know what I mean!!! Dale S. Hardman Co C,1/501st 101st Abn. Div. Aug 68-Mar 70

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Fantastic site sir, I did read PFC Garwoods book and have always wondered if he was full of b.s. The

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Michael Cowger

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I was reading your article on Spectre 17 and had to laugh at your knowledge of C-130A. There are not any liquid oxygen lines in the aircraft. LOX was stored in a 25 liter converter located in the right side of the nose wheel well compartment, out side of the bulkhead of the aircraft.. The converter was also one of the few things on that aircraft that is armored plated. In the converter, liquid oxygen is changed to a steady gaseous pressure for the air crew and the gas is routed through the aircraft. The location of the LOX converter would not allow JP4 and Liquid Oxygen to, " Fuel and liquid oxygen are sloshing around in the cargo compartment". LOX does not do well in normal temperature and atmospheric pressures and in those condition flashes to gas.

You would have your readers believe That Liquid Oxygen would flow through the nose wheel well, in a liquid form, flow through the avionics compartment and air conditioning compartment then flow into the cargo compartment where it would slosh around and mix with JP-4.

There was a massive SECRET air war over Laos and Cambodia. I was a volunteer on the Blind Bat missions and worked as a auxiliary load master over the Ho Chi Minh trail in Laos. Both Spectre and our aircraft flew from Ubon Thailand. Blind Bat was a forward air control mission that vectored other aircraft to targets on the trail. All crews shot down in Laos were listed as MIA Vietnam. If we were shot down, our crew briefings were for us to walk INTO Vietnam.

You seem to add myths of your own. You claim to be an expert, yet your false statements do not lend very much credibility to your site.

M. Cowger ( While in the Air Force my primary AFSC was 42271 Aircraft Environmental System Technician )

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Mr. Cowger:

The comment about liquid oxygen and fuel "sloshing around" in the cargo area is a quote from one of the guys who was blown from the aircraft. 

I am fully aware of the facts that:  the normal state of oxygen is gaseous; it can be liquified only under high pressure and very low temperature; and once the pressure is released, the liquid oxygen returns to its normal state -- a gas.  I will modify the imprecise wording in my article to reflect that fact that the LOX was gaseous once it leaked from ruptured lines. 

Several facts remain: (1) the 37mm anti-aircraft fire (the 37 round explodes on impact) ruptured hydraulic and LOX lines, thus releasing oxygen and hydraulic fluid into the cargo compartment; (2) the 37mm rounds had ruptured a fuel tank, causing fuel to pour into the cargo compartment; and (3) the mixture of aviation fuel, hydraulic fluid, and pure oxygen is explosive and that's what happened -- it exploded.

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Dear Col. Schlatter-It seems Monica-Jensen Stevenson has landed on her feet after the Floyd Kushner libel debacle. No less a personage than Oliver Stone is writing the screen play of "Spite House," backed by Columbia pictures. I stumbled across this by accident on fetalfilms.com, a site dealing with films in pre-production or pre-release status.

Say it ain't so, Joe.

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Thanks to all who put so much effort into this project. I grew up approx. 4 miles from the Collins family farm. Betty and Bob were wonderful folks. The family needs to know many still grieve their loss......

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Teresa Ray

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thank you! I've worn this bracelet since I was 12 yrs old. I seldom is ever see them anymore. It feels good to know where they came from and that people have not forgotten how much they meant to Americans then and now. Everyone should wear one!

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Mark Elledge

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Keep up the good work. I served 15 years in the United States Navy as a AZ (Aviation Maintenance Administrationman). Most of my days I was up to my chin in paperwork and computer disks. During that time I met three SEALS. Since my discharge in 1999, I have met countless numbers of SEALs and other special ops guys. It's sad that someone would pretend to be one of these special people. I think these people have a low sense of self worth. If you never served, don't say you did. If you have served be proud of what you did. I moved papers around and I am proud to have served in the greatest Navy around. Enough soap box! Keep up the good work.

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Gary Wright

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Joe, I Have Just Read Your Glorification Of The Book Stolen Valor. I Find It Interesting That You Will Take So Much Detailed Time In Tearing Apart Other Books For What You Claim Are Lies,Untruths & Misinformation. You Give People The Impression That Any Book Written With Errors Of Any Kind Is Very Bad!

What I Want To Know Joe Is, Why Have You Not Afforded These Same Standards To Stolen Valor? How Can You Write All These Great Things About Stolen Valor While Sitting There Knowing That Burkett Out And Out Lied In The Book Saying I Was Never In the Service? I Have Sent Documentation To Burkett/Whitley And You Have Advised Them They Are In Error On Me, Yet They Allow This UNTRUTH To Stand In The Book And I Note That You Are Totally Silent On This Matter!

I Could Care Less What Most People May Think Of Me Joe, But You Know The Truth Here And You Dont Say One Word Regarding It...WHY? Will You Be The Honest Man You Claim To Be And Tell The Truth On The Page You Praise The Book Stolen Valor...Including The Fact That YOU Advised Burkett/Whitley They Were Wrong About Me And They Have Done Nothing To Correct It?

Gary G. Wright Jr. AO3/USN/1973-1977 USNR/1977-1985 http://va155.8m.com Son Of: Col. Gary G. Wright Col/USAF/MIA 1-17-67 http://CallSignGigolo.8m.com

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Duane TeWinkel, TSgt Retired, USAF

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So far what I have seen looks interesting. I know Rich Daly and several others from Minnesota Won't Forget. The two articles were very interesting.

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Carol Bates DeNeve

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I finally have an address to write to to find out whether my POW ever came home. I would love to send him that bracelet I purchased in 73 while I was in the Army. Thank you

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Bob Dushlek

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Interesting site. Spectre senor operator Ubon 69-70

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Jennifer J.  CRESSMAN

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I am the niece of Sgt. Peter R. Cressman. To let you know I'm 16 years old and very aware of the incident involving the Baron 52. I have only one question for you and one promise Mr. Schlatter, Are you a true American? Also, I'm 16 and will be very involved with the POW/MIA issue. Being that I'm 16 I WON'T give up untill I have closure concerning my uncle. That's my promise.Good day to you sir

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Ms. Cressman:

Thank you for your comment. Please define "true American."

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Continuing problems with the guestbook. It appears that all comments between mid-August and Sep. 23 have been lost. Still trying to determine what happened and to fix it.

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Charles F. Kuhlmann Jr.

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Schlatter, We met. I am less impressed now than then.

Apparently you've decided to move into the active propoganda side of the smoke and mirrors crowd.

DIA's efforts are anti-productive to any truthfull resolution of the POW/MIA questions remaining from the war in SEA.

You should be ashamed of yourself for forming a career, and more, around the betrayal of American fighting men and their families.

Major Charles F. Kuhlmann is still remembered.

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Sn James D. Troutt USN

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Trying to find the national registry for MIA's to find if the person I have on my is found or not.

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Sn James D. Troutt USN

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Trying to find the national registry for MIA's to find if the person I have on my wrist was found or not.

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Eric

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I loved your trashing of Roger Hall. I used to work at a service bureau in Silver Spring where he was a regular customer, and can attest to his character. It doesn't surprise me at all that he called that archivist a "dumb bitch."

Hall would rip us off when using the self-serve copier; i.e. making 50 copies and only paying for 30. When the shop manager found this out, he made it a rule to start counting every copy Hall made before figuring the charges. Apparently the 40% discount we were already giving him wasn't enough.

Hall came to us to design his business cards. He gave me a sketch of what he wanted and I came up with a rought draft. He looked at it and pointed out a couple of typos, which took about 3 minutes to fix. When he found out that the charge for graphic design was $75/hour (apparently the manager hadn't told him this), he accused me of "jackin' him up," and walked out, slamming the door behind him. He came back a few hours later to argue with the manager for a discount. He showed the manager and two of my coworkers the first draft I had made, pointed out the typos, and said that I "wasn't worth 5 bucks an hour." He eventually got the discount.

When Hall came in the following week to pick up his order, he walked right by me as if I was invisible. Then I noticed an unpleasant odor. He had "greeted" me by passing gas.

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Gina McElvain Houston

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I found that a relative of mine was MIA in North Vietnam while I was doing our family tree. I just wanted to research this a little and read what articles I could find on James R. McElvain

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Dennis Paul Morony

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Great site! And your "Stolen Valor" review is tops. But where is Mr. Burket of Dallas when most we need him NOW? I'm in the local CWT Program, and let me tell you: there's folks there that can't even remember which branch of the service they were in, yet are otherwise very clever and manipulative. I've seen phony "birth certificates" proudly displayed, heard stirring "huh-hush" tells of intrepid Air Force (??) "squad members in Vietnam (??)" one of whom got an immediate combat-promotion to "Captain" thanks to taking over said USAF Odd-Squad (or whatever fantasy unit it supposedly was)etc. One young man turing 44 this next week told all of his coworkers yesterday that "PTSD" made the noise of a bumped table sound "like bullets ricocheting" (sp?) Give me a break! So far my armchair guess is we're looking at a minimum range of 3-5% phonies and a possibly maximum range of phonies of -- maybe -- 9 to 12% out of every 100 cwt/twe participants, both downtown at 901 S. Ervay, and out at the Dallas VAMC. Plus, the both the Federal Bureau of Prisons and the Texas State Penitentiary Sytems maybe sending down a lot of overflow on some sub-contracting basis with the VA, I'm not sure. Perhaps through "Project Rio?"

Anyway, the GAO would have no problem in uncovering a few examples of tax payers money being squandered here in Dallas, were they interested in one of their famous audits. Semper Fi!

Dennis Paul Morony (formerly) I Corps, RVN, Nov. 66 to Nov. 69 (minus 2 and 1/2 months, when stateside)in the USMC's Fox 2/1, Hotel 2/27, 106 platoon of H & S 1/3, and CACO 2-7.

PS A lot of that PTSD is BALONEY, especially when "diagnosis" is based on that much-ballyhooed "Mississippi Combat Test" Hey! Any punk with enough brains to stay in the military long enough to be kicked out on a section 8 (or whatever it's called) can readily guess which answers will give him (or her) the jackpot.

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I just happened to come across this guestbook while researching something totally unrelated to the pow/mia issue. I will revisit at some future time as it has piqued my interest. However, what has happened to CORRECT SPELLING AND GRAMMAR? It's almost frightening!

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J.Kevin McNeely

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I found this site to be great reading and educational.. I will come back to visit when I have more time

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Scott A. Luzi

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Janet Flaherty

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I'd like to learn more about Lt. Col. Herbert Lunsford 7/25/67.

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Gwen Anderson

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I am in search of the family of Robert Duval Owen M.I.A.. I have an MIA bracelet an I would like to speak with them. Any information on Robert or his daughter Robin, please contact me by email.

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Michele S. Gottlieb

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I enjoyed this site. I met Al Santoli many years ago covering a Vietnam War event in Fargo, ND (early 80s)as a magazine feature writer. I also had the pleasure of meeting a POW by the name of Ted Gostas. I have lost contact with both of these individuals over the years. I now live in Washington, DC and if you can be of assistance in how to reach these folks, I would be very grateful. My daytime telephone number is (202) 942-6274. I can also be reached at (703) 481-9226.

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Loren E. Hale

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Could not be better!!! You and your staff are to be commended for "righting an important wrong". These imposters "spit" on the sacrifices and honor of those who really served. Keep up the good work. (1st Lt. USAF,RVN Mar 68-69)

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Bill Morales

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Great website and very informative. For sure it adds clarity.

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Chloe Pappas

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i liked your site. you presented facts clearly, and it was nice to hear someone who actually believes that we are doing too much for a lost cause. these men are gone. it's very sad, but people need to realize this.

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E. Lorraine Ashley

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We continue to pray for those missing and their families. God Bless.

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Bev Haire

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http://www.angelfire.com/fl5/voicesmemory

Mr. Schlatter's site is an outrage and a rare blatant example of dedicated truth distortion and perfidious government cover-up! Seems as though HIS major effort is in the promotion of JOE SCHLATTER'S GIGANTIC EGO TRIP. He just wants to be sooooooo important. A sad commentary on a man who COULD have done so much in an honest effort to give an honest accounting of POW/MIAs.

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Gerald M. Daniels

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Mary Kay Seales

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I have recently decided to do some follow up on the web regarding the bracelet I have had since the early 70's. I found a web site which had a contact name for the person related to the soldier on my bracelet. I have contacted him and will send the bracelet back to this family if they contact me. I have always wondered about the person whose name is engraved on my bracelet. I'm glad to be investigating this now. Thank you for the information on how this was started. I just remember hearing about it and buying the bracelet throught the local chamber of commerce. It was a great project! Mary Kay Seales

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I emailed you a couple of days ago with some questions but I'm not sure that it got to you due to my computer having a processor problem. I'd like to ask the same questions here if it's okay. Why are all the documents I've seen released so heavily censored? I cannot believe that with all the information out there on the equipment and people of this war that there could be anything that would still require classification on these incident reports. For example, if a shoot down report is 20 pages long, why is only 2 or 3 heavily censored pages published? As an ex-intel officer, surely you can see that this looks suspicious to the public. Every time I see censored documents that are 30 + years old, it bothers me. The first thing that comes to mind is "What are they hiding from me now?" The equipment used at that time is either obsolete or so well known around the world that classification doesn't make sense. I wonder if it's still classified because of the people involved? If so what do they have to hide? Why does not the government just publish these old reports in their entirety without all the censorship and put an end to all the questions and remove the reason for all the "conspiracy" theorists out there? I do know that I'd feel a lot better about it if the government did come clean and settle the matter in a way that was open and honest. I am hoping that with your background you can answer these questions. Thank You, Matt Jacobson

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James Goodwin

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Nice site. Just read chapter on MIA's in Laos and am wondering about this: exactly how many pilots were seen bailing out of planes over Laos, safely landing on the ground uninjured, were not picked up by rescue forces and captured by the Pathet Lao. That is the true number of actual captures vice those who were killed on their shoot down date through crashed on terrain. An exhausitive chapter on this should be created.

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I served during the final years of our involvement in South Vietnam. What happened then is all ancient and sad history.Let both the living and the dead rest in peace.

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Tina Merryweather

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Thank You for this site, & all that you have done to help the soldiers & their families. I remember as a child a family friend wearing one of these braclets in the early 70's. I have oftern wondered if he ever returned home. I now, as your self am older & wanting to contribute to the cause.

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not to shabby. the only thing is, SERE is not Survival Escape Resistance Evade...why would anyone want to escape first, Evade first so that you dont have to resist the enemy, and if you are unfortunate enough to be captured, Resist their efforts to collect information, and try to Escape. i have gone through the air force SERE school, and know what was taught. SurviveEvadeResistEscape

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THANKS FOR THE INFO VERY GOOD SITE I HOPE YOU KEEP WRITTING THE TRUTH BRIAN VIETNAM DOG HANDLER ASSO MEMBER#1338

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Bill Weldon

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Say what you want,but there is proof that we left POW's in Southeast Asia,read the facts at www.strikeforcefreedomcry.com/proof.html Thank you.

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John C Baker

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Very informative & well written.

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Rick Giesenschlag

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Congrats on a good work. Having worked the POW/MIA issue for years and being stumped by Senators McCain and Kerry this is a breath of fresh air. For you who question that your gov't left our men behindin Nam, I offer this;"Lt Gen Lacey stated that he interviewed Col Dean Andrew Pogreba in a Hanoi Prison in 1989. " This is on the record testimony and I have a copy of this in my possession. McCain and Kerry are both liars, Is BO? Time will tell, I do know this..Bo Gritz has a credibility problem and he has turned up in some strange places with some strange people (Laos & Kuhn Sah). Was Bo assisting the flow of drugs out of S.E.Asia? Maybe so maybe not, and maybe only Bo knows. What we do know is this "in all of his attempte at so called rescue of a living POW/MIA Bo never came out with ONE and always had a patsy for his failures. Do I believe Bo? Not as far as you can spit into the wind. Should you believe Bo? Same answer. William Cooper called Bo a Trojan Horse which is a nice way of saying that Bo is deceitful and far from honest. My advice to Bo on his attacks on Christian churches is this.."Figure out who your God is Bo before you attack mine or anyone elses. You have your little seperatist encampment in Idaho, stay there and out of the news. America does not need Bo Gritz as its Saviour, Christ Jesus took care of thet 2,000yrs ago. Rick Giesenschlag Korea War vet & POW/MIA activist.."Firebase Texas"

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Joe, Before you get the big head from my first entry let me clear something up. The congrats was for your work on Bo Gritz and his pandering of himself for himself.. You and the DPMO morans wouldn't know a POW/MIA if one came up and bit you in the ass. You bad mouth Hendon and Senator Smith when you should swear out arrest warrants for McCain, Kerry, Daschle and the likes. A couple of years ago you sent some of your stooges down here (Houston Tx) and tried to put the blind-fold on the family members and veterans who know that you government and military stooges are a pack of BS artists. There were men left behind in Nam and you jerks white washed the whole stinking mess. The time of retribution will come for all of you when you have to face your creator and be judged for your sins against some of the best damned fightimg men that ever lived. The fact that they are now most probably dead is "They are dead because you bastards covered it up and said, They all came home". If BS was brass you guys could have the worlds biggest marching band. It is people such as yourself that disgrace the uniform, You sell out your comrades and brothers for what? They ain't ggoing to make you no damned General Joe! The gov't knows you are a sell out puke and will not, ever, turn their backside to you. They couldn't take the screwing you would give them if some one offered you a better deal. Like I said before Joe read the testimony of General Lacey and then tell me that we brought all of our men home! You are a real jerk Joe...learn to live with it and go quietly into civilian life. Rick "Firebase Tx" POW/MIA support team!

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Ralph LeRoy Abercrombie

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Wish the Abercrombie tartan were here too! I would love to have a full dress of our tartan.

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Joe Schlatter

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Just up the page on this Guestbook you will find two entries by an individual signing the name "Rick Giesenschlag," identifying himself as some sort of POW/MIA "activist" and a "POW/MIA Support Team."

He is a member of the non-existent "National Vietnam POW Strike Force," a pseudo-organization headed by one Joe Jordan and consisting of Jordan, a few other nutcases, and a vivid imagination.

Read this article to learn more about the crowd that Rick Giesenschlag represents: miafacts.org/jordan.htm

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Anita Zirkle

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i've had my braclet since 1971.. Msgt. Marshall Kipina 7-14-66 (Laos)

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Cynthia Barber

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I wore 2 bracelets in the 70's and was active in my county Pow/MIA group. Ist bracelet was sent to the man who came home. The second bracelet was lost when the US Army said I could not wear it when I arrived at basic training in 1977. In 1988 the Navy said I could wear the bracelet while in uniform so I requested the same name I wore the second time around. Thanks for the reminder about how it all started. Now I am trying to get a bracelet for my 15 year old to wear. Least we forget....

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